Comments on: Thematic Transformation in Rózsa’s Score for Ben-Hur https://filmmusicnotes.com/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/ Understanding the Art of Film Music Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:26:03 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: Mark Richards https://filmmusicnotes.com/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-79855 Sun, 24 Jul 2022 15:12:10 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/10/27/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-79855 In reply to John Fitzpatrick.

Thanks for the inside scoop, John! How did you get the chance to meet Ròzsa?

Yes, it seems that was the case with the Crucifixion scene. I looked it up in Roger Hickman’s well done Film Score Guide on Ben-Hur and he discusses the use of the Friendship and Hatred (or Messala) themes in this cue, saying “the extent of Ròzsa’s involvement in this choice for arguably the film’s most dramatic moment is uncertain. John B. Archibald decries the choice as being made by ‘some minor functionary’. Regardless of the intention for borrowing this cue, the presence of these themes at this dramatic point elevates their stature, giving them symbolic weight as representing human love and hate, flawed qualities that have led to this moment. If the decision was indeed made by a minor functionary, then he must have had some knowledge of music” (p. 137). He then goes on to say how well he thinks the music fits the scene. I think in the intervening years since I wrote this post, I’ve come to view many unusual dramatic choices in film scores as the result of decisions made, as you say, by people other than the composer. The reasons are usually because of a temp track the composer needs to follow closely or because of changes made to the film after all the music has been recorded, a trend that has become much more prevalent in recent years because of the use of digital editors, which make changes quick and easy to make. In any case, it’s fortuitous in this case that the rejected Aftermath music (which was replaced with Bitter Triumph) worked so well to tie the film’s narrative themes together in one of its most important scenes!

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By: John Fitzpatrick https://filmmusicnotes.com/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-79854 Sat, 23 Jul 2022 14:52:02 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/10/27/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-79854 Fine commentary here. Many of us have referred to the motif in question as Messala’s theme, but of course the hatred of Messala is what drives the story. As for its appearance during the Crucifixion, I used to propose an interpretation like yours. Later, Rozsa told me that he had not scored that music at all. Some editor just inserted a bit of Messala’s death scene when a need for music was felt at the last minute! That does not invalidate your interpretation. It simply shows how the artistic choices are not always made by the composer

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By: Clinton Dybing https://filmmusicnotes.com/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-49595 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 09:19:41 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/10/27/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-49595 In case you wanted to comment/argue/applaud my point, my email address in the previous message was incorrect. Sorry about that.

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By: Clinton Dybing https://filmmusicnotes.com/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-49594 Mon, 19 Dec 2016 09:17:51 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/10/27/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-49594 Thanks for the analysis of the sore for my favourite film. Like you, I have wondered about Messala’s musical presence during the crucifixion scene. I realised recently that Messala and Jesus have an odd commonality, though: they have both literally saved Judah’s life. As boys, while out hunting, Judah was injured and saved by Messala (this is described in the book, yet only mentioned a couple of times in the film). And, of course, we know how Judah was saved by Jesus. It’s nicely appropriate, then, that in Judah’s mind, both have elements of goodness – both sustained him to ensure he witness the crucifixion which, as he says, “takes the sword from [his] hand”. Rozsa obviously was extremely smart to musically ‘exorcise’ Messala’s theme – it lends further depth to the sense of apotheosis.

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By: Cliff https://filmmusicnotes.com/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-31997 Mon, 15 Dec 2014 11:29:58 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/10/27/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-31997 Thank you for the analysis and for putting this music online. It gives us much in the realm of intense human experience, while retaining the sweetness of 1930’s film scores. Western rethinking of “Eastern exotica” (Arabic cliches) is more potent, polished and coherent than the folk originals. Leitmotifs also were beautifully realized in “The Adventures of Robin Hood,” This music can be heard on YouTube in a “Proms” performance.

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By: Ed Buller https://filmmusicnotes.com/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-5624 Tue, 29 Oct 2013 15:14:33 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/10/27/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-5624 excellent analysis . Such a rich score. Proper opera. The harmony under the various changes to the hatred and friendship themes seems so critical. It would be nice to see that too.

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By: Mark Richards https://filmmusicnotes.com/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-5620 Tue, 29 Oct 2013 06:26:51 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/10/27/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-5620 In reply to Sue.

Thanks for your comments, Sue. In the final shot where we see the shepherd walk across the screen, the theme we hear is actually a counterpoint to the theme for Christ and is set, as you say, in a mode. The precise mode is Lydian, which sounds like major but with the fourth degree of the scale raised by a semitone. This particular mode creates a less familiar sound than major, but one which sounds brighter and more optimistic because of its characteristic raised fourth. So it tends to occur with more positive situations, as in the theme for the character of E.T. (not the “theme from E.T.”, but the theme for the character), or at the end of the Columbia Pictures fanfare, or here in the Christ theme after the miracle has taken place.

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By: Sue https://filmmusicnotes.com/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-5603 Mon, 28 Oct 2013 04:48:03 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/10/27/thematic-transformation-in-rozsas-score-for-ben-hur/#comment-5603 Thanks so much for this excellent analysis. I’m wondering about the final moments of the film and the choral segment, where the shepherd is crossing the screen. That’s so very very modal to me and harks back to the music for the titles – the rest of the score is reminiscent of a sort of ‘eastern exotica’ if you will.

An absolutely favourite score of mine and we are fortunate to have you to analyse this quite wonderful music. Thanks

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