Comments on: John Williams Themes, Part 1 of 6: The Force Theme https://filmmusicnotes.com/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/ Understanding the Art of Film Music Thu, 22 Jun 2023 15:21:39 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.9 By: Mark Richards https://filmmusicnotes.com/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-77695 Sat, 24 Apr 2021 02:21:31 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/03/02/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-77695 In reply to Dominic Sewell.

Hi Dominic. Thanks for the thought-provoking question! In 2015, I published an article called “Film Music Themes: Analysis and Corpus Study”, where I analyzed nearly 500 main themes from Oscar-nominated scores ranging from the early 1930s to 2015. So when I consider the expressive arc of a theme, I think also of its structure in terms of theme types like sentences, periods, and the like. In my study, I analyzed E.T. as a structure called a “clause”, in which the initial idea of 2 bars is then restated or varied for 2 bars, then varied in a more striking way in the next 2 bars before coming to a cadence or close in the last 2 bars. Some other themes from the same era that have this clause structure are the main themes from John Barry’s Out of Africa, Jerry Goldsmith’s Papillon, and Dave Grusin’s On Golden Pond. Each of these melodies has a clearly highest melodic note, and if you segment them by their number of beats into the theme, as you do for E.T., here are the results for this highest (climactic) note: Out of Africa occurs at 19/32 beats (= 0.59 proportion), Papillon at 28/48 (= 0.58), and On Golden Pond at 38/69 (= 0.55).

All this is to say that I think that the placement of the climactic highest note in the E.T. theme coincides with a general principle in the theme’s structure, namely that the “clause” theme type easily lends itself to a climax around the 60% mark in the theme because that’s the 2 bars of the theme that break away from the pattern of the first 4 bars and frequently produce a climax before coming to a close with the last 2 bars. I’m not saying that Williams didn’t have the 60% proportion in mind when writing the E.T. theme, only that it goes hand-in-hand with the clause theme type, so probably he conceived of the two together, as if thinking “ok, this third time around with the idea, let’s bring it to a climax!”

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By: Dominic Sewell https://filmmusicnotes.com/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-77694 Fri, 23 Apr 2021 08:35:47 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/03/02/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-77694 I did a very short (and very rusty) melodic analysis of ET a couple of years ago and discovered that with these sorts of closed set themes, JW often places the highest note or climactic beats or significant harmonic change around the same location as the Golden Section (0.618 of the beat length of the theme). With this the high G4 is one beat after the GS point of this 33 beat theme..coincidence or an example of ‘classic’/classical design/proportion?

Although I don’t think he writes to a ‘formula’ as such it’s interesting that the repetition, development and shape of his closed themes seems to correlate with other classic closed themes – and popular ones at that.

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By: Kaz https://filmmusicnotes.com/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-77182 Thu, 25 Jun 2020 19:35:51 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/03/02/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-77182 Bravo! Without having a background in music, it can be difficult to explain how small pieces like this can evoke such powerful feelings. It’s a true pleasure to see how much thought went into every aspect of the Jedi/Obi-wan march.

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By: Rogerio Silva https://filmmusicnotes.com/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-54868 Thu, 01 Nov 2018 09:07:05 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/03/02/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-54868 In reply to Ronald Z.

What a shmuck

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By: Mark Richards https://filmmusicnotes.com/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-52737 Tue, 16 Jan 2018 04:05:42 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/03/02/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-52737 In reply to Katelyn.

Thanks, Katelyn. There’s definitely a G-natural and A# in the chord as well (the latter in the woodwinds). And I’m not entirely sure, but I think there’s also a G# buried in the middle somewhere (also in woodwinds, but faintly). So in total, it’s a C# diminished 7th chord with G# added to it.

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By: Katelyn https://filmmusicnotes.com/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-52735 Mon, 15 Jan 2018 19:38:55 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/03/02/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-52735 This is a great analysis thank you very much!! Do you have any idea what the final dissonant chord is? I’ve been struggling to try and figure it out but I cant seem to fully grasp it….I can hear the Db and the Fb/Enatural but I can’t hear the other notes. Thank you for this article Mark 🙂

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By: Mark Richards https://filmmusicnotes.com/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-52727 Sun, 14 Jan 2018 16:20:01 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/03/02/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-52727 In reply to Robert.

Hi Robert. Indeed the major IV chord can result from a melodic minor scale as you say. In this case, however, that major IV ends the theme’s entire first phrase, so it is a cadential chord, a point of rest. So there is no need for its voice leading to be dependent on what follows since the phrase is already over and a new one can start afresh. This view is strengthened by the vast majority of the Force theme’s statements in Star Wars, Episode IV (but the other films as well) comprising only its first phrase, which retains the major IV at its end without any justification from a second phrase starting on V. I would also point out that even when the theme enters its second phrase after the first, the first phrase always retains the major IV even when the second phrase does not begin on V, as in this statement from Episode IV:

All this is to say that, while I can see how it may seem that the Force theme’s major IV is a result of the melodic minor scale, I think the evidence in the score suggests that it is rather a use of chromaticism that highlights its non-diatonic quality by not requiring justification with a following V chord. I would therefore say that such a use of chromaticism in Williams’ Star Wars scores is generally for the purpose of creating particular emotional expressions, whether it’s the benevolence of Yoda, Rose, and the boy Anakin through their themes’ use of the Lydian II# chord, the longing quality of love through the minor-mode iv and ii chords heard in Leia’s theme, Han Solo and the Princess, and Luke and Leia, or most famous of all, the twisted evil sound of the minor bvi chord in a minor key heard in Vader’s theme.

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By: Robert https://filmmusicnotes.com/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-52722 Sat, 13 Jan 2018 13:40:12 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/03/02/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-52722 Hey guys this not Dorian this is simple Melodic Minor.
The scale is G,a,b-flat,c,d,e,f-sharp,g. The IV is naturally a major chord as derived from the scale notes (C-E-G). Peace

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By: Patrick Davies https://filmmusicnotes.com/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-52074 Wed, 18 Oct 2017 00:36:03 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/03/02/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-52074 This is bloody wonderful. I’m with @Twit, the Force surges outwards and upwards in an attempt to go where it must. One of the main reasons I love that it is ‘The Force Theme’ rather than Luke’s Theme is it treats the Force as a living force (the sentence could quickly get very tautological), and mirrors its craving.
It is a joy to hear this every time.

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By: Ella J https://filmmusicnotes.com/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-50662 Sun, 30 Apr 2017 21:49:19 +0000 https://filmmusicnotes.com/2013/03/02/john-williams-themes-part-1-the-force-theme/#comment-50662 This deconstruction is beautiful and explores such a gorgeous theme that is very deserving of such an analysis imo. When i briefly studied the binary sunset section last year i was looking at the different modes that music can be written in and i thought that William’s use of a Dorian mode but in a minor key was really clever as it essentially is what gives it the atmosphere of hope, the raised 6th placing it somewhere between minor and major.

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